New Headers & Up Pipes are on

[jpowel29]

Everything is on and looking good. I have driven the truck through town and in traffic for about 20min. Seat of the pants says these are helping spool the turbo easier at light throttle. EGTs are recovering quicker at the stoplights. I am heading out again in a few minutes to give them a proper road test.

The quality, fit, and finish are exactly what I was expecting. I will report back as I get more drive time and miles on these. I have a long road trip coming up Saturday.

:thumb:

[RickDLance]

No TICKETS!! ):h

How did the install go? About how long did it take?

[KEVINL]

I can't wait to get mine on:(

[jpowel29]

Boost comes up quick as you get into the throttle and the truck pulls really well up top. It is definitely time for some of the larger fuel tunes that Nick has set up for this thing and a trip back to the track to log some passes.

As far as the install - I used the "EASY" button and got help on this. At least my truck is clean under the hood with just over 9000 miles on her. The headers/up-pipes are not wrapped and clearances look good. I will probably wrap the downpipe however (mine needs some massaging done) but that can wait until the motor swap.

Autometer thermocouple probe had to be changed (going from the BD manifold to the headers) and no drive pressure gauge yet. The EGR Cooler was removed and blocked.

I will be selling the cast manifolds, factory up-pipes, and EGR assembly soon.

[RickDLance]

Why did you need to change the probe? Was it just the adapter?

[jpowel29]

The only problem with the headers is that my right foot feels heavier....which can lead to poor tire wear and reduced fuel mileage.

It is definitely easier to light off the 42 now. I am planning at least one more test & tune at the track before they close up for the year. Things are finally coming together (built trans, plenty of fuel, and better airflow). I owe Nick some better data log files as well.

You definitely will not regret adding the headers & up pipes. Thanks Rick!

[Biodiesel66]

Rick,

You have anyone running the headers that just uses the truck for towing?

[RickDLance]

Me, but I have been towing that much lately. :)

I'm glad you like the headers John. Hope to see you in person the next time you're up this way. ;)

[jpowel29]

I'll let you know. It should be soon...

[jonathancasey19]

The proflow headers sound great...I just can't afford them. My truck is a daily driver no dual cp3 just a 4088 and stock injectors w/lift pump and efi live. What if I just went with the upgraded up pipes? That price limitation is all I can afford right now. Is it worth it?

[jpowel29]

I would say that the up-pipes would add alot just by themselves. The stock up-pipes look restrictive in places. I thought of just doing up-pipes but since headers would be going on eventually, I decided it made the most sense to do both at once.

[Diesel power]

COOL,SOUNDS GREAT!:thumb:

[jpowel29]

I figured that I should update the thread. I've been keeping Rick busy to say the least. We have tested two sets of the fully welded headers and the stainless header tubing is shrinking/pulling the mild steel flanges. I should detail this by saying this was encountered during track testing where EGTs were likely above 1500 degrees and boost levels were likely 40+psi. I say "likely" because I was not watching my gauges while going down the track but this is where my set-up seems to be at this time. Under normal street driving where EGTs stay under 1100 degrees, I did not encounter any of the warpage. I currently have about 250 miles on a set of headers with slip joints to stop the above situation. Rick - feel free to add to this...

Performance increases with the headers & up-pipes is there. I am seeing trap speeds of over 115mph while only running mid to low 12sec ETs (this will change soon). EGTs drop off quickly at the end of a run and when backing off the throttle on the highway. I picked up part throttle boost under street driving conditions as well (which helps spool the larger turbo when street driving). I do not have a drive pressure gauge currently so I can't speak to that yet.

Total installation time was around 6 hours. My truck is still like new under the hood so fighting rusted hardware was not an issue here. My truck also has a larger aftermarket turbo, pedestal, and no longer has an EGR cooler so there is more room to attack the up-pipe bolts.

I'll keep updating the thread as things progress this spring & summer at the track.

[RickDLance]

John, your feedback as a tester has been great. :thumb: I'm glad you're happy with them, I only wish we'd had a little more time for you to get it dialed in before the snow hit. :)

[jonathancasey19]

Just got my up pipes and the bd manifold installed last night with help of othrgrl. I believe they have a more noticeable increase in performance on the non-vvt turbos. My 4088 now spools ridiculously fast even with the 1.06 a.r. housing. Cruising around town accelerating @ 1800 rpms, I used to push 4 lbs. of boost. Now I push 9. @ 2200 rpm's I used to see 10 lb.s of boost. Now I see 21. Max egt's 2wd at WOT 5th gear was 1300. Egt recovery is pretty good. Just wish I had the money for the proflow. Installation was very easy; took a few hours. I can't seem to keep my foot out of it ):h It's amazing how fast that turbo lights now. Hopefully I will make a couple passes at the track Sunday and will have more feedback. Need to dyno soon too. Thanks Rick! :thumb:

[RickDLance]

Glad you like them. Keep us informed of your trip to the track.:thumb:

[jonathancasey19]

I wish I knew a way to calculate the correct amount of lost back pressure in these up pipes. Would I need a drive pressure gauge?

Driving down the interstate today I noticed something different. 75 mph @ 1800 rpm's, egt's right below 600 degrees, 6 lbs. of boost constant. Whereas before the up pipe install at 75 mph, I was running 2200 rpm's at 3 lbs. of boost 800 egts.

Mileage seems to be a bit better I just can't keep my damn foot out of it. Acceleration is much better now with these 20's. :thumb:

[RickDLance]

Yes, you would need to do a pressure gauge on the pipe, but without before and after you would only have so much info. That info would still be valuable though.;)

I used a simple 100 PSI air pressure gauge IIRC. I tapped a second location on the manifold. Ithen used a couple of feet of coiled copper tube. Then went to the traditional plastic line. I had a bracket made to hang it on the dash or the mirror. Worked good.

I've got video, but no pics. Sorry.

[jonathancasey19]

Nothing new on the up pipes lately?

[RickDLance]

NO. It seems that they are somewhat fool proof. I've had a couple of sets crack that had originally had slip joints and had since been welded solid. I replaced them with the new ones.

I've only had one set fail since we started installing the bellows and I think I know what caused it also and it was not the up pipes fault. Time will tell.:)

I think John is getting pretty close to having his truck up and running again.:thumb:

[jonathancasey19]

No complaints here....I love mine. ):h

Wish more people would buy them. Need some sort of better advertisement. I've got a guy looking to get one of Mark's turbos might get the up pipes too.

[KEVINL]

No complaints here....I love mine. ):h

Wish more people would buy them. Need some sort of better advertisement. I've got a guy looking to get one of Mark's turbos might get the up pipes too.

I had a set and foolishly sold them:banghead:


I would buy another set if you will loan me the money Johnathan):h

I noticed when I had mine they were crushed a tiny bit for downpipe clearance if you have a aftermarket downpipe can you build the uppipes without the flat spot Rick?

[RickDLance]

Yes, I can leave the flat spot out on request. :)

[jonathancasey19]

Hmm......just went through a thread on dp of Newly's set. I really like the way they look. I'm running just the up-pipes to stock manifolds. I thought the other set was the proflow without the flanges at the manifolds like the set you sold Dustin (Othrgrl). Newly's looks like an upgradeable version of mine. Are they still available? Here's the link for the pics

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?t=298684

Any noticeable difference with the added manifolds?

[RickDLance]

That set is the latest and greatest ProFlow set. Dustin's will look that way too when he gets them off and sent in.

I'll let Newly answer the question about the difference. He is one of the few that has run just the up pipes and then the ProFlow set.

PS;
Your up pipes will not interchange with the ProFlow headers. Their up pipes are larger.;)

[NWTDIESEL]

I ran the up-pipes with stock manifolds for 6 months. I loved the way it ran but, now it is better! The headers and up-pipes/new design is sweet! I just lov the way my turbo sounds. Spool is incredible. Im serious, people who go for rides in my truck expect my A5K to take a bit to spool but this sucker lights fast. Very fast.:Handshake: Thanks Rick

[jpowel29]

There are many using just Rick's up-pipes with great results so it is hard to argue with their sucess. If you eventually will be running a larger turbo, I would always recommend both the headers & up-pipes. The top-end charge that these help produce is exceptional.

I will post up new dyno results and track times soon (based on my new motor build).

[blksmok]

I ran the up-pipes with stock manifolds for 6 months. I loved the way it ran but, now it is better! The headers and up-pipes/new design is sweet! I just lov the way my turbo sounds. Spool is incredible. Im serious, people who go for rides in my truck expect my A5K to take a bit to spool but this sucker lights fast. Very fast.:Handshake: Thanks Rick


I know the pics I took of you and Luke at DDN, showed your exhaust cleaned up really fast from launch. I think that shows you are getting up on the charger quickly. :thumb: