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CDR
06-01-2008, 10:40 PM
Anyone every tryed these what your feelings?
neversatisfied
06-01-2008, 11:39 PM
Yes. I think their are better options out there.
moduramaxdad
06-01-2008, 11:47 PM
x2
TheBac
06-02-2008, 05:56 AM
Didnt even know they had em.
madmaxdmax
06-02-2008, 05:43 PM
I have heard of them because of their ads in Diesel Power etc., but was wondering if they are better then oem or just oem rebuilt :confused:
neversatisfied
06-02-2008, 07:26 PM
They are extrude honed
CDR
06-19-2008, 11:22 PM
They are extrude honed

So its a new injector with a extrude honed tip?
neversatisfied
06-19-2008, 11:42 PM
I'm not so sure about it being a new injector. I'm pretty sure you buy the tips and put them on your injector bodies. Unless they have a core system setup.
Ragin Diesel
06-20-2008, 08:22 AM
Dmax sticks are much like the cummins. Usually it's just a nozzel change. There are better options. Industrial injection and DDP would be my choices. Both extrude hone also.
Josh2002cc
06-20-2008, 11:54 AM
Dmax sticks are much like the cummins. Usually it's just a nozzel change. There are better options. Industrial injection and DDP would be my choices. Both extrude hone also.

What makes DDP or Industrial Injection better than ATS? If you would elaborate that would be great.
Northof900
06-20-2008, 12:12 PM
X2!!! I personally have no complaint with there product, just there time frame... LOL!!!
what i do have of ATS's is above the specified, seems like they under rate somethings... maybe just me...... sorry to get off subject!

please elaborate on injector... learn us O-B-1
moduramaxdad
06-20-2008, 01:12 PM
mine are edm'd not extrude honed
Ragin Diesel
06-20-2008, 01:53 PM
If it were me I would want my sticks extrude honed. ATS sticks are not extrude honed. For the price of the injectors why settle for them not.

Please understand Electric discharge machining is NOT the same as Extrude honed.
Northof900
06-20-2008, 02:16 PM
so are ATS's complete or tips? i know extrude hone method, explain this other method, please.

thanks
Ragin Diesel
06-20-2008, 02:30 PM
There are a couple of sites that explain it better than I do. I will post links

I do believe the ATS's are full injectors not just nozzels. They may sell nozzels now. After some very poor service I no longer deal in any form with them. Not saying they have bad products though. Most of there stuff is very good except customer service & IMO transmissions.
Ragin Diesel
06-20-2008, 02:31 PM
http://www.gethoned.com/diesel.php

http://process-equipment.globalspec.com/LearnMore/Manufacturing_Process_Equipment/Machine_Tools/Electrical_Discharge_Machines_EDM

gethoned really does a nice job of showing the difference in finished product.
Mike L.
06-22-2008, 09:29 PM
I think you've made your point about ATS service and I don't think you need to put that in every post. Thank you.
Ragin Diesel
06-22-2008, 09:49 PM
Sorry boss just speaking from expierence
Diesel Tech
06-23-2008, 08:34 PM
EDM process uses a wire to burn the metal out of the way in basic terms. Extrude Hone (EH) uses a media that is pushed through a part so the abrasive material cuts on the surface. Remember that it cuts any surface it comes in contact with, and sometimes that's not what you want or need. Both have there place and are best used together when doing injector nozzles. The finish from EDM work is not as nice as EH but if you try to run the EH process too much the surface finish goes away and you cannot control the finished part. Factory injectors bodies are all there is from anyone on the market. All any of us do is rework the nozzle from factory specification and some of us have new nozzles made to our specifications to replace the factory one. We use the EDM process to make the injector nozzles and put the holes where we want them, then follow that with the EH process to smooth things out and balance the flow from them.
Ragin Diesel
06-23-2008, 09:44 PM
Exactly the end result is a much better balanced set if injectors across the board.

Nice job
CDR
06-30-2008, 07:46 AM
intersting info I find injectors on duramax's to be such a grey area
Josh2002cc
08-13-2008, 09:30 PM
If you talk to the right people you can get plenty of info. Something I have found out is, not many people can actually flow test these injectors. Now, I could have been fed a complete line of B.S but who knows.

I am looking into some injector nozzles when I do them in the blue truck. I was thinking of that place on the web that does EDM work but realized that TTS has a set of nozzles as well. I guess for that fact kennedy diesel does too. I would be curious to know how the vendors mentioned test injector flow and ensure they are correct and ready to be ran. Steve, John you around?